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Well, when you get a dog he’s got my vote
How do you know the dog isn’t the next Blondi?
I figure the dog will be of the easy going centrist type so to get the republicans vote it will have to be a good boi.
No more celebrities.
In fairness, Arnold Schwarzenegger already has political experience as governor of California. He’d be the most qualified celebrity for the Whitehouse if he was a naturally born citizen.
Reagan was an actor, and he was instrumental in the process of fucking up our society to the degree that it is now. He spearheaded deregulation. One of the direct outcomes of that is the rampant increase of wealth inequality, as well as the now-“normal” boom/bust economic economic cycle that started with Black Monday in 1987 and has been getting markedly worse with each crash.
That was not because he was an actor. That was because Reagan was stupid enough to listen to the wrong people.
I think the point is that Schwarzenegger, unlike Reagan, has political experience. He has proven himself not to be as much as a puppet as Reagan was, at least.
That said, good thing he can’t run.
Reagan was also Governor of California before he became president.
All I really remember from The Governators time was how many parks got built.
It was actually kind of ridiculous because the signs went up into all kinds of places I had been using for hiking for years, dirt lots or unmanaged areas that connected to wilderness. Then bam, sign goes up with a big green ✅ and Swartzennegers name. No park at first just the signs. And a shit ton of them. Like a ridiculous number. It took time from there but they were all eventually turned into parks and green spaces.
He gets a lot of shit because he is an over the top character, but California has done far worse. Newsom is worse. Davis did less.
I actually think he’d do a great job. I just don’t think it’s likely to happen due to the constitutional requirements, which would never be changed in a normal political environment, much less in this one.
I mean he was kinda milquetoast, but also, California is like, fucking impossible to manage. I don’t think people realize how strange and departed interests are in Sacramento. It’s a clusterfuck because California is so variable in its territory, people, and ideologies.
I don’t think you understand economics. The economy naturally booms and crashes since the dawn of time.
The key is to slow down the boom and speed up the crash so we don’t end up with the economy totally crashing
I am familiar with Keynesian economics. I am not suggesting that regulations fully prevent crashes, either then or now.
What I am saying is that removing the guardrails so you can cut corners even more aggressively in the interest of profit works great until you crash in a way that the guardrails would have made the crash suck a lot less.
I’m not familiar with “Keynesian economics”. However I do think cutting corners is something that is common with many industries. It isn’t because of profit but is more related to the desire not to go out of business. Competition is normally a good thing as it drives down prices while increasing options for customers. The fix to this is to bad behavior with fines or outright bans.
lmao you fucking muppet it’s the foundational ideology to what you’re trying to express. The fact that you freely admitted that you haven’t heard of it is an implicit admission of complete ignorance on the topic you’re attempting to push. Kindly cease attempting to misinform people.
I have never heard of “Keynesian economics” until today and I haven’t seem any paper, journals or other such media to back your claims. I’m not a professional economist but it seems like you are just following someone or something blindly.
So before you get mad you should look to draw your own conclusions and be familiar with what you are arguing. I my intention wasn’t to provoke you. Lemmy is full people stating options and half truths as absolute facts. I’m not guilt free but at least I’m willing to admit my arrogance. Try not to be a gate keeper
Except that was the same thing that gave us Reagan. He was an actor. Then governor of California. Then president. We are still paying for all his bullshit.
Natural born is a common misconception. Naturalized is sufficient - he can be president if he wants. 14th amendment clarifies this point.
Could you quote the part where it says they can become president?
All I can find is that they become citizens:All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution explicitly states:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President
As I understand, this is based on settled case law, Schneider vs Rusk, where it was decided that preventing natural born citizens from holding office such as president violates due process. As you quoted above, “All citizens naturalized…are citizens”.
This is the lynchpin to progressive candidate Cenk Uygur’s bid for presidency in 2024. He expects this case law to be challenged and decided in the Supreme Court, and anticipates a victory there for himself and the 25million-some other naturalized citizens who wish to enjoy the due process they’ve earned.
Personally, I think he’s right that Biden is a fool for ignoring the current 10-15 point deficit in the polls vs trump. Biden needs to get out of the way for literally any other dem to come in and sweep the election, and hopefully this will be how it happens!
TY, that’s really interesting.
So, of I understand correctly, it’s not exactly codified law.
Even if the supreme court upholds that ruling, they could overturn it in the future?Yeah that pretty much sums it up. Court cases rule and set precedent based on interpretation of existing laws…in this case how the 14th amendment applies/changes section 1.5 from Article II about who can hold office as president.
Supreme Court is usually expected to uphold this type of precedent by default, but as the highest court in the land, they can overturn it if/when Cenk’s case makes it to them.
If they do uphold it, a later supreme court could reinterpret the existing law and overturn this ruling as a result. This was the case with Roe. Congress could codify this interpretation into law by amending the constitution with something even more clear than the 14th amendment, like “naturalized citizens can hold office of presidency.”
To me the 14th seems pretty clear in its intent already, and I think the prior ruling clearly should stand…you’d have to have some wildly politically active judges to misinterpret something like that. Oh wait…!😅 so we shall see.
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or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution
Didn’t double check but I think he wasn’t a citizen when the constitution was shipped.
So going by the literal wording alone, he would not qualify.
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While I like Arny a lot more than anyone else I have seen looking for the position please, no more celebrity politicians.
I mean he can’t run anyways.
As of now, yes. However, there are a lot of people in the US who would like to change the stipulation that naturalized citizens can not be president. So a push for this could pass, especially for someone like Schwarzenegger who is a republican and the right kind of immigrant.
That would require a constitutional amendment, and if you think the country has any chance of passing any of those with polarization as high as it is, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
This was actually proposed by the delightful Orrin Hatch en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Opportunity_to_Govern_Amendment
But Ahnie decided to bareback the housekeeper instead, so it quietly went away.
At this moment? No. However things were not always like this and won’t always be like this. If someone like Schwarzenegger was around in the 70s or 80s I could definitely see it, as the idea was popular then as well.
I agree that we don’t need more celebrities, but he has more government experience than the last guy. Not an endorsement, just showing he cleared the incredibly low bar.
I’ve talked to a person IRL who didnt understand that Arnold is a US citizen, was the governor of California, but was born in Austria and cannot be president.
To some people, they also think foreigners can’t be governors and were convinced one of his parents were American because he “looks American”
It’s not necessarily related to this post, but a personal anecdote about my experiences with stupidity
Meh. I like him better as a commentator. His run managing California wasn’t that great. That said, I think he’s a damn sight better than anything the conservatives have in line for president.
Too bad you can’t run
Yes he can but I don’t think he’s very fast
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Demolition Man.
Was that one one where he spent the whole movie going Commando?
He was naked in the beginning when they put his character in cryogenic stasis for all the civilians that Wesley Snipes character killed.
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People realize Demolition Man was a dystopia, right?
That was Stallone, Arnold was Running Man
There’s a line in Demolition Man where they talk about the fact that Arnold becomes president after a change in laws that allows him to run. That’s what GP is referring to.
IIRC they just refer to “Arnold Schwarzenegger Presidential Library”
Why did they use a 30 year old photo?
From his time campaigning to be governor?
Old but relevant?
Laugh all you want, but honestly? I believe him. He would be leagues better than most politicians we have.
Downside: He can’t.
And that’s a good thing, there’s only one other immigrant I can think of that has a reasonable shot at winning: .
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Well, he’s old enough now…
In a movie, yes.
Well he wouldn’t be the worst
That bar can’t get much lower
To quote Patrick Star - “nonsense”
I want Arnold Schwarzenegger to become a host of a cooking show featuring pastries
Could he be speaker? Anyone can right? Or is that not allowed because of succession?
I believe he could be Speaker of the House. If a succession issue appeared, he would simply be skipped over.
Pretty sure Biden and Harris and their teams are making sure that only one of them at a time is on a plane, and that they both stay on completely different tectonic plates at all times.
No.