Ironically I am happier with cock.li than proton
(context: owned by 4chan user (with a grain of salt(?)) but it’s best i’ve found :/ )
All of us could use some cock.li
The corporation sponsors the pro capitalist ideologue? I’m shocked.
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anti fascism means anti fascist no matter what. The fact you don’t care about right wing extremism doesn’t mean shit to me. Keep on using your fascist software, while not caring. Your “convictions”, or lack of, means fuck all to the world
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You misread the post title or is extreme naive.
“Proton mail sponsors far right French YouTuber, censors criticism on their subreddit”. Far right is fascism so if you condemned it you condemned this youtuber by whatever the fuck he is saying.
what if Proton mail sponsored far left extremists and censored criticism on their subreddit, would it be okay then?
Yes
Got it, so it was never about free speech, it was about whose speech gets protected
If your sense of right and wrong depends on a map or a label, then I don’t think you have principles… you just have a tribe
Are you for real using horse shoe bullshit?
Any type of extremism is wrong on both sides and it leads to humanity’s misery. Premises may differ, but the result is always an authoritarian or totalitarian outcome. Regardless of stated goals, extreme ideologies tend to concentrate power and suppress dissent — this is well-supported historically.
So you really are using horseshoe theory
Fuck.
And to think people on Lemmy advised me to switch to it.
If I’d done my research I could’ve seen it coming.Yen’s personal u/ on Reddit being “andy1011000,” which is binary for “andy88”.
It was considered paranoid to read something into that.
But then what would the reason be for usinfg this binary?
While they already used 88 as an obfuscation for HH(heil Hitler)
This is a similar step obfuscating the 88.
And there are precedents of it being used by fascist scumThanks for the heads up. Haven’t really used Proton, but I have a few accounts in case of… But now they will be deleted.
They also sponsor a far-right influencer in Brazil.
This guy is literally a grandson of a dictator of the military dictatorship. He was also one of the articulators of the 2023 coup attempt, pressing the military to join
very cool proton
edit: giving more context in case someone wants to post this in their subreddit (I won’t): his name is Paulo Figueiredo and he still have a proton vpn sponsor link in every video on youtube.
I’m from Brazil and I hadn’t seen this yet. It’s disgusting! Dude, Proton never again! They are financing the most rotten things in Brazil! Very sad and revolting!
Three things on Proton:
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Proton mail has been in a rampage with sponsor YouTube channels and, in my opinion, that is a mistake. I would have kept it an organic growth, but that is me… a nobody, and Proton has become far more successful than no other email provider in the privacy world.
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Considering even that, Proton is not vetting who is sponsoring. This is a fiasco. For instance they try to sponsor the channel “The hated one” that never takes any sponsors and even constantly criticizes channels that does it. That is a mayor blunder for Proton, there is no scrutiny at all with their marketing deployment. By the way, we learned that that youtubers get a juicy amount by Proton in these sponsorships (I think was $70 per subscription).
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Proton, for years, has been aiming for the masses, not the most serious in privacy (for instance, androidś Proton email still uses Google push services). That is not bad per se, I still recommend Proton to many. But those with a more ideological approach to privacy or those requiring top notch on it, should be aiming for other service providers.
Honeypot behavior, don’t you think? We are suppose to be trusting them, but this is what they do?
controlled opposition
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Using Proton always seemed like a bad idea. People come to Proton in order to deGoogle or de-big-tech but then lock themselves into their ecosystem, defeating the entire purpose.
Not mention how scummy their PR-Team, their CEO and their Business Practices are.
So many Proton sponsered content creators spread lies about how Proton Mail is supposedly E2E encrypted or how Proton VPN is supposedly a privacy and security tool.
Time and time again they have lied about how much data they have and how much they have disclosed to investigating agencies.The only way I could ever undestand someone using Proton Mail would be to use their service but behind your own domain, such that migrating away stays easy.
I did this myself in 2023, coming from google. And have now dropped their Eco system for all disconnected privacy friendly options like mailbox.org and bitwarden for example.
But I also use my own domain and a ton of alias email addresses so wasn’t locked to my proton email address in any meaningful way
I was afraid Proton would eventually go down the far right route… and it seems like my fears came true
their CEO publicly announced support for trump; anyone saying otherwise about proton’s proclivities is coping too hard – especially the ones in this community.
you can say this about literally every tech company these days.
Which is why we support Open Source like Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP, NextCloud, LibreOffice and a whole lot more. :-)
With euro office coming up, there was some musing that libre office has Russian roots, does that change the equation any?
From what I understood: ONLYOFFICE is a fork of Libre Office by a russian company. NextCloud was using ONLYOFFICE for its built-in cloud office suite replacement. Then they forked it with others to have greater control on the software with no communication whatsever to the company developing ONLYOFFICE without respecting their questionnable trademark restriction within ONLYOFFICE licence which I am still unsure if it was compatible with GPL licence Libre Office is using.
I’d cut nextcloud from that list
Why?
very true; capitalists will always capital.
I have not seen evidence of Proton “going the far right route” yet. They are just sponsoring channels that ever mention privacy and far right ones frequently does that too. You can blame proton for no scrutinize, but not of siding with the right or the left. Proton is just focusing in mayor growth and nothing else, for better or for worse.
Archived BlueSky Post of them: https://archive.ph/2yWGz
I can’t see much of a problem with this, yeah Trump actually did started something useful for all the wrong reasons and the guy praised that, the company sponsoring far right weirdos is waaaay more problematic to be honest.
ceo praised trump then deleted the tweet. it should have been the first warning sign he is a fascist.
It’s actually wilder than that. The official Proton account went onto several platforms to repeat the endorsement.
Such companies “sponsor” everyone. It’s cheaper than normal advertisements.
You’ve got some companies advertising with streamers/youtubers that do some checks on who they advertise with. They use specialised communication agencies, it’s their job.
Yes, and then you have companies like Proton Mail.
Companies that neither do their job nor get someone to do it for them, and end up financing fascists, even though they should be especially careful given their CEO past declarations ?
Is there an article about this?
https://reddit.com/comments/1u052qp there’s this thread on Reddit at least
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/
Here’s some of protons response
And for us who refuses to open links to Big Tech like reddit. Is there any other trusted sources for this?
You could check redlib and put the links in it
Thanks, yeah seems it was a mistake. The CEO / founder is I believe a libertarian, but at least he believes in something, like privacy.
man, is it just time for me to quit technology altogether?
