Horseshoe theory == any difference from what I, a reasonable centrist believe, is equally bad. And since there is only two boxes, liberal centrism and not liberal centrism, you are in the same box as Hitler.
Can’t you tankies stay on one instance? I’m getting tired of having to block them.
No
What’s a tankie?
Most of them are only doing it to “trigger the libs” (totally different from the alt-right) and a lot of them are LARPers (totally different from the alt-right), so no they can’t stay on one instance, they need an audience to troll properly.
If they actually just cared about socialism they’d be off circlejerking in their own instances about how capitalists are evil and Stalin was a saint, but again that’s not why the majority of them are doing it, so they will keep adding new instances and posting across to anywhere that hasn’t defederated them, because they want to piss as many people off as possible, and talking shit to “liberals” while being “socialists” is the best way to trigger both (American politics) sides.
The fuck are you on about, the “tankie” instances are the oldest and some of the biggest instances on lemmy.
Also if they cared about wanting to enact socialism they’d be out trying to counter misinformation and procapitalist propaganda which they are doing, not hiding from views they don’t agree with like .world do.
Why does them being old or big have anything to do with what I said? We aren’t talking about then, we are talking about now.
Also I can’t speak for others, but I think socialism is great, screaming at “the libs” constantly and pretending that genocide is cool and ok are my issues with them. You can believe whatever you want but when you start acting like a hateful bastard I don’t want anything to do with you regardless of how our political viewpoints align, and it’s downright ridiculous to suggest they keep getting defederated because of their politics (which I guarantee most of them don’t understand or even believe), its because of their behaviour.
Also lol “oldest” lemmy instances, yeah this platform is totally ancient, and definitely not largely made of reddit refugees.
Both you and the original commenter claimed they have to go into other instances to keep trolling people. I’m pretty sure hexbear was still in the top 3 largest instances even after the big surge from reddit and they are at least 3 years old, a lot of that time they were the largest instance while being defederated from everyone. Who were they trolling then?
That’s great you’re a left leaning lib but if we’re only talking about now, actual leftists on this platform are the only ones who are calling for the end to genocide in Palestine. Everyone else on here is promoting Israeli propaganda or calling for a return to the status quo in an apartheid state which is not a good look.
Oh now I’m a lib lol, and not an actual leftist. Also I apparently don’t support Palestine, even though I never discussed my position on that.
Funny how I did nothing to say that, but you assumed it. Almost like you’re one of the exact people I am talking about, and are on another instance trolling and arguing in bad faith.
Pathetic.
Well you said you think socialism is great but then stated giving off about leftists in general which screams you meant socialism in the democratic socialism sense as well as the way you mentioned genocide denial like its an issue with the leftist instances on here probably means your aren’t as left as you think you are.
I also didn’t say you don’t support Palestine I made a sweeping statement about how leftests on this platform are the only ones calling for the liberation of Palestine and the destruction of the fascist state of Israel.
I have no idea what the fuck your mental process is there. You are legitimately lost in a maze of assumptions and confusion, you can’t even properly recall what I or you said, and you most definitely did say I didn’t support Palestine you absolute muppet.
You need to go touch grass and stop screaming about politics, and that goes for the entire group of people I am complaining about. You’ve lost touch with reality, and only see things in Us vs Them negative poisoned worldview. You literally are no different from the American Trump-suckers, you just have a different cause to lie and scream about.
Go touch grass.
Look, if you were interested in socialism, you would start with your city first. Trying to get attention at the small scale with local communities. Not debating with other people from the whole world on the internet.
Owning libs, republicans, centrists fucking anyone is cringe and only shows how much you don’t care about your OWN perspective.
This is a dumb take. The internet definitely has more reach and impact across our cities than we as individuals have.
People can do work on the ground and waste their free time on the internet arguing with dumb takes just as people can do fuck all in their area and waste their free time on the internet looking at memes.
The internet definitely has more reach and impact across our cities than we as individuals have.
Reach? Yes. Impact? Not at all. Unless you write academic papers, nobody will care about what you do. Do you know how many people are there shouting “communism good” or “communism bad” into the void? They are like a grain of sand. Actions always meant more than words and always will. If you don’t believe it then look at and compare internet strikes to real life strikes, which of them has bigger impact? It’s just one of many examples, but if going outside and doing something even meaningless for the locals is as bad as shitposting politics on twitter then sorry but you’re delusional and you have a looong way ahead of you.
If you think the average person cares about or reads academic papers you’re delusional.
Yes just saying communism good or bad probably won’t change hearts and minds but unchecked pro-capitalist and pro-imperialist messages bombarding consumers of social and mainstream media absolutely portrays the status quo as the only acceptable scenario with no alternatives.
If you think anticapitalist memes haven’t radicalised people then you are naive to the effects of propaganda.
I give you jrehwald15 as a good example of this
is a great example of combining both human resources and the reach of the internet with the very clear message.
Memes definitely fall into the “internet” category, but why stop there? You would have a much bigger impact if you for example presented these memes in front of a group, like a comedy show. Anonymous memes are likely to be scrolled past, so it’s important to show a face behind the whole meaning, even if it’s shallow and insignificant.
Sharing memes has a low bar of entry and a high reach depending on the platform shared, for example posting a meme to your cities subreddit would have had big reach in your local area for very little effort. Other subs or platforms with more global viewers could also be used instead.
Running an inperson leftist event like a comedy show takes a lot of effort, potentially money and will very likely only attract an already radicalised section of people. Watering down the message to appeal to a wider audience is possible but not ideal and attracting a wider audience means there is a higher risk of physical confrontation.
