• drspod@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    205
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    7 days ago

    She’s a great chess player but she’s never been a World Champion. There’s no need to embelish her story. She’s currently training to become a surgeon at University of Missouri School of Medicine.

    • TaTTe@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      ·
      edit-2
      7 days ago

      She holds the title International Master, so I guess OP thought that’s the same as World Champion? But she’s currently ranked 6365th of active players.

    • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      7 days ago

      Was thinking as i read this post “isnt magnus the defacto world champ? Or hasnt he been for years now?”

      • solrize@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        12
        ·
        7 days ago

        Ding Liren is the current human “open” world champion, but there is also a women’s world championship, currently held by Ju Wenjun. Plus there is a world junior championship, world rapid championship, world blitz, etc. Magnus is probably still the world’s best human player, but he decided to drop out of the WC cycle because he got tired of winning it so often, basically.

        The strongest chessplaying entities in the world are entirely machines, which have surpassed humans by enormous and uncrossable margins. The top engine for the past few years has been whatever the latest version of Stockfish is. The top human players spend enormous amounts of time studying machine analysis of various openings and game positions.

          • solrize@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            edit-2
            6 days ago

            Chess has always been overwhelmingly male. In the old days there were separate men’s tournaments and women’s tournaments. That changed in the 1980s when Susan Polgar was by far the strongest female player in Hungary. She didn’t have any serious opposition in women’s tournaments there, and wasn’t allowed to enter men’s tournaments, so she started a big fight. The result was that men’s tournaments were abolished and they are now “open” tournaments that anyone can play in, though they are still overwhelmingly male. Women’s events exist basically so that female players don’t have to endure the gauntlet of a socially inept nerd sausage fest in order to play chess.

            For a while there was also something called “centaur” tournaments, where a centaur was a human player assisted by a computer. The idea was that the computer could outcalculate humans, but humans still had better strategic judgment, so a human-computer team could outperform either member individually. After a while though, computers became strong enough that human interference just made them play worse. The current strongest chess tournament in the world is called TCEC (Top Chess Engine Championship, tcec-chess.com) and it is always running, 24/7/365 unless something happens. Some really incredible games have come out of it.

      • FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        38
        ·
        edit-2
        7 days ago

        Grandmaster just means you have reached a certain elo and have completed certain requirements (win a number of games, against certain opponents etc), and won a certain number of competitions. There are around 2000 current grandmasters.

        World champion is much much more selective, meaning literally winning the world championship.

        Don’t get me wrong, grandmaster is incredibly prestigious, but is much more “common” than world champion.

        (International Master is the rank below grandmaster).

      • havid_dume@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        ·
        7 days ago

        For clarification, the Women’s Grandmaster and International titles are conferred after a certain level of achievement overall in one’s career. There is no limit to the number of people who can have those titles. I feel like if you use a phrase like “world title holder” there’s an implication that such a world title is like “champion of whatever” and is only held by one person at a time (like a “World Champion(ship title)”).

      • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        7 days ago

        Can anyone point me to one example of a woman electing to wear a hijab or bonnet that wasn’t coerced by religion?

      • huginn@feddit.it
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        71
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        edit-2
        7 days ago

        Fuck hijabs and Islam.
        Fuck christofascists and tradwives.
        Fuck hindu nationalists and caste systems.

        Fuck any and every religion that insists they need to impose their ways on others to be in good favor with their God. Fuck them in any and every form.

        • koper@feddit.nl
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          39
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          7 days ago

          Women can choose to wear a hijab, just like women can choose to be a stay at home parent, out of their free will. But pressuring them one way or the other is cringe.

          • huginn@feddit.it
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            30
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            7 days ago

            Choosing to wear a hijab is totally cool, as long as it’s not because of a religion.

            Religion uses coercion and indoctrination to control people.

            It doesn’t matter if it’s state sanctioned or not: the social contract imposed by religion is violence. It doesn’t matter if it’s the government threatening jail time or your friends threatening social isolation. It’s coercive.

            And you can’t distinguish between those who do it willingly and those who are forced: so a civil society can permit neither.

            • makyo@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              16
              ·
              7 days ago

              I grew up in a sect that I like to often describe as Beer Drinkin’ Christianity because it’s really chill about most things including homosexuality and gender. It wasn’t until I had grown out of it and basically gone full agnostic that I really realized how coercive even my version of religion had been. I could go on and on but the funniest thing to me was realizing during an Abnormal Psychology 101 course in college that my Church Camp basically used every last technique they listed for brain washing. It was a fun camp and not scary in any way but yet extremely manipulative in a subversive way.

              • huginn@feddit.it
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                9
                ·
                7 days ago

                I similarly left Christianity from a far more fundamentalist sect and yes: the coercion is significant on all levels. It’s scary once you realize what’s been going on.

                It’s an incredibly controlling form of human culture and not given its due wariness.

                • makyo@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  8
                  ·
                  7 days ago

                  Yeah I told my partner about some of the stuff that goes on and her first thought was ‘they shouldn’t allow kids in religion until they’re old enough to decide for themselves’.

        • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          15
          arrow-down
          13
          ·
          7 days ago

          Hijab is supposed to be voluntary under Islamic scripture. Islam does not include anything about having to impose anything on others. Attempting to downvote you results in a server error.

            • Bob@feddit.nl
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              6 days ago

              Does it make a difference that it’s under the section “Prescribed Prayers”? Because the New Testament has a similar rule written in it that women have to cover their heads while praying.

              • Poplar?@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                6 days ago

                Its under a subsection on “modesty”. But I don’t know why it’s under the section on prayer.

                They are general rules on clothing, you can look up “awra for women” to get at the same stuff.

          • huginn@feddit.it
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            30
            ·
            7 days ago

            And Christians are supposed to give up all early possessions, renounce sex and serve God all their days.

            What’s your point? Theory means fuck all.

            Religions are coercive social structures. You cannot distinguish those doing it willingly from those corrected into “proper behavior”. As such a civil society can permit neither.

            Re: downvotes - no idea why it’s not working, but your anger is obvious enough without it

            • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              7
              arrow-down
              7
              ·
              7 days ago

              Christians are not obligated to give up sex or “all early possessions”. At most they’re just obligated to give up personal trinkets during lent and fund the church. My point is that there is no coercion within Islam to wear a hijab, kinda like how there is no coercion within Christianity to be a virgin.

              People who want to oppress women will do it regardless of means. Islam is just an excuse. There are many atheists who use their moral code instead.

              To distinguish them, just get their confidence and ask them in a safe environment.

              • huginn@feddit.it
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                12
                ·
                7 days ago

                all earthly possessions

                Matthew 6:19-34 and Luke 18:22-25

                Pretty unequivocal: give up everything and serve God.

                there is no coercion within Islam to wear a hijab, kinda like how there is no coercion within Christianity to be a virgin.

                The fuck there isn’t. Coercion in Christian sects is rampant. Your parents finding out you’re not a virgin will have you disowned in plenty of Christian households.

                People who want to oppress women will do it regardless of means

                And people who want to murder will do it regardless of means. That doesn’t allow us to throw up our hands and let murder cults exist. Instead we extirpate them, outlaw them, stamp them out both legally and culturally.

                To distinguish them, just get their confidence and ask them in a safe environment.

                Pragmatically speaking this is, unfortunately, the best we can hope for. I’m not talking about pragmatics here though: I’m talking about fundamentals. Theory. What is a truly polite society?

                It’s not one where religious coercion is allowed to fester.

                • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  3
                  ·
                  7 days ago

                  That’s a pretty bad misreading. These are about how material accretion is not to be valued too much, especially in comparison to kindness and serving God. (The latter story also says “If you wish to be perfect”, not “you must do this to get there”.)

                  Your parents finding out you’re not a virgin will have you disowned in plenty of Christian households.

                  That’s sad to hear. Even as an agnostic, I know nicer Christian sects.

                  That doesn’t allow us to throw up our hands and let murder cults exist.

                  Most people of faith aren’t those radical maniacs you see on ye olde telly. Radical [blank]s exist in nearly every field you can imagine, and since they’re radical, they’re gonna be vocal and take over all your anger-driven feed. To assert that all religions fester and allow hate simply isn’t true. Radicals will turn to everything they can find to justify their stupid beliefs.

          • RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            7 days ago

            Can anybody with more knowledge about this explain this? I don’t know much about islam but i thought husbands and/or fathers would force women to wear them?

            • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              18
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              edit-2
              7 days ago

              It’s a complex issue, but think of it like backwards fundamentalist Christians going ballistic over women (especially their daughters) wearing anything more revealing than a sweater. That kind of familial coercion is couched in religious terms and springs from religious values, but is not, strictly speaking, fundamental (ha) to the religion itself.

            • Bassman1805@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              8
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              6 days ago

              The root of the thing is that Islamic teachings require practitioners to dress modestly.

              Interpretations of this range from “cover your sex bits” to “don’t show an inch of skin to anybody except your husband”.

              • Poplar?@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                6 days ago

                While its true there are outliers like fundamentalists who go to extremes and progressives who deny many rules, there are four major schools in (Sunni) Islamic law that the majority of people follow and they all take at the very least the ruling that the covering for women is everything except her face, hands and feet - when among men who she legally can marry (“mahram”).