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I can’t wait for society to collapse so I can be ashes!
“cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return”
As far as quotes from religious texts, I’ve always preferred…
“And as for you, River, there will be a day when you will flow with blood more than water. And dead bodies will be (stacked) higher than the dams. And he who is dead will not be mourned as much as he who is alive… Asclepius, why are you weeping?”
If we go by France starting at 1789, it took over a century for the proverbial shit to work its way through the colon and for things to get better.
So if there’s a civil war, you’re not going to see it, but some of your offspring’s / cousins descendants might when all the power grabs are done and the economy gets back to where most people aren’t starving.
Here in the states, we got suckered by Reagan and Jerry Falwell, who were sore due to the end of segregation and the legalization of interracial marriage. So yeah, they were so into racism that they hacked the system to consolidate power and create a one-party white-power autocracy that neither of them would live to see.
If we get very very lucky, we can put it off long enough for the GOP to backstab itself to death. We might be able to stall the consolidation of power, and the enforcement of authoritarian rule (that’s rule at the gunpoint of law enforcement or garrisons, not by consent) as it worms its way from the federal government to the states.
A lot of damage has been done, and the lumpenproletariat is very, very stupid and wants to regard its political party the way it regards its gridiron football team. And it likes the propaganda that media feeds it. If we’re going to create a cohesive public-driven, public-serving government, we’ll have to invent some sociology that we don’t have yet.
So yeah, civil war is a step like geoengineering, an act of desperation we hope we don’t have to commit to, that has the potential to go very wrong and very badly. And will require decades of clean-up that will suck for everyone, so maybe our kids’ kids will see the benefit.
On the other hand, one-party autocracy is worse, as we will rapidly discover.
If we get very lucky, we can put it off long enough for the GOP to backstab itself to death.
I agree that would require luck. Especially since the left would have to not backstab itself to death first.
A lot of damage has been done, and the lumpenproletariat is very, very stupid and wants to regard its political party the way it regards its gridiron football team. And it likes the propaganda that media feeds it. If we’re going to create a cohesive public-driven, public-serving government, we’ll have to invent some sociology that we don’t have yet.
I don’t know if that’s fully possible. I think the tools are already here, but they’re just really hard to use. Even an effective ideology like Marxism couldn’t rise above the basic mechanisms of power and social dynamics. I don’t think we should look to transcend human nature, but work with it. No theory will change how life develops based on its environment, so we need to focus on changing that environment for the better rather than searching for the impossible. Ideas can’t save us by themselves anyhow.
The difference between transcending human nature and working with human nature is a sorites paradox, and has been since the dawn of civilization. Each step of creating a society that allowed for larger societies, from dozens to thousands to millions, was transcending human nature until we found a system that worked. Yes, every civilization decays and falters, often due to disrupting factors, hence the classic goal of a thousand year reign hasn’t yet been achieved.
Sociological development can be used to facilitate public involvement in civics, or to shield civics from public involvement with a veneer of deception. The problem isn’t that we don’t know the problems or solutions to them, but that those who gain power would rather be powerful than functional or happy, and are glad to exert that power to preserve it even against those who mean them well. It’s a warbler feeding and nurturing a cuckoo chick (at the expense of her own offspring) except in this case the chick never matures and flies off, rather it just keeps growing and sucking up more resources like a cancer.
How do we work with this human nature? Consider also if we fail to curb this tendency, the proverbial chick will also poison our global ecology until it is uninhabitable even to those who mind the industries that feed it. Hopefully, it is a barrier we break much the way we’ve escaped monarchy. But is that transcending human nature or working with it?
Personally, I’m already coming to terms the human species is facing existential risk, and if it doesn’t facilitate its own extinction, may cause so much damage as to limit our future ambitions; no space-faring colonization in our future, and most of our culture as we know it today is not going to survive the next few centuries regardless of whether the species does.
The whole problem stems from us prioritizing the species over each other. When we worry about genes or humanity as a concept, we miss out on the billions of people that actually matter. If we all choose to not reproduce, instead focusing on making the most of our lives, it’d be better than our descendants living enslaved by a societal machine till heat death. We think about the forest instead of the trees, when the former only exists for the sake of the latter.
The sad truth of capitalism is that not even the rich are in charge. The principles of accumulating power drive it, not the well being of wealthy families. If they escape the cycle and focus on their own happiness, someone else replaces them. It’s power for the sake of power. Not even the dictator really matters, just their power.
They don’t call them anarkittys for nothing!
Ugh… I wish… But in reality I feel like the oligarchy is pushing for some huge war to cull the herd, and afterwards the only thing that will rise from the ashes will be them and their slaves.
That’s why instead of grasping at the existing system until its dying breath and focusing on electioneering* and playing within the rules they’ve set out for us, and eventually just wait around for them to fight it out for power over us, it’s more important to focus on building up our communities and creating alternatives to the existing systems, or “dual power” (from communal fridges and pantries, to libraries for everything from books to tools to sewing patterns to seeds, communal child care, educational clubs, agitprop groups, and so on and on and on) so that when things inevitably collapse (because that’s where capitalism concludes), we have existing networks and frameworks and solidarity to build on, from the bottom up.
*Before the libs derail like they always do - I never said don’t vote, but focusing the amount of energy that you do on doing the bare minimum within the rules set out to you by your oppressors doesn’t make you antifascist freedom fighters.
an intelligent, nuanced take in a shitpost space that recognizes the importance of touching grass and loving your neighbor and building structures of mutual aid? I didn’t think I’d live to see the day 😍
Lol thanks, I have my moments… 😳😂
As someone who is not onboard with dismantling the existing political system without a better system ready to go, I think that dual power sounds like a great idea!
We have the Bolsheviks to thank for it! (E: to be clear, and as will be evident by the links I shared, I am not a Leninist lol)
My summation of the concept is obviously superficial, here are some good places to start getting a better idea of what it is and where we might start:
https://www.weareplanc.org/modules/wtf-is-dual-power/
https://medium.com/@anarchist.environmentalist/an-anarchist-dual-power-e911edf66ad7
https://blog.pmpress.org/2019/09/02/alternative-institutions-or-dual-power/
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-mutual-aid-a-factor-of-evolution
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-full (there isn’t a specific dual power bullet point, but it does come up, and in general this document is worth looking through)
I love this… And would gladly work on a project like this to kill the time. However, I worry that they’ll just roll over us with their tanks and drones unless the oligarchy is actually destroyed in the revolution. And I just don’t see how that can happen with the majority of people looking left or right instead of up. Who knows though… Maybe AI and robots will be on our side once they become sentient
And would gladly work on a project like this to kill the time.
It’s not a “project” it’s a way of life, and it’s not something you should ever engage in to “kill time” but because you believ it is possible to create a better society.
I worry that they’ll just roll over us with their tanks and drones unless the oligarchy is actually destroyed in the revolution.
They are going to do that at some point anyway, your options are to lie down and take it, or to try and create an alternative (yes, abolishing the current systems that control our lives will require violence, a tiny percentage of that they inflict on us, but you don’t free yourself from oppression by asking nicely).
And I just don’t see how that can happen with the majority of people looking left or right instead of up.
That’s the whole entire point of building community and solidarity.
I’m not looking to rise from ashes, just to find space in the cracks left behind.
…so there’s a 1% chance MY ideology will rise from the ashes.
I wanna be space dust!
Rearrange the photos so that upper left is lower right, upper right is lower left, lower left is upper left, and lower right is upper right, and you’ve got yourself a political compass meme.
Ha, the collapse itself is my end goal, the ashes my ideology!
great minds think alike
i can’t wait for society to enter a sufficient economic downturn that i can find a group of cool people and start a commune somewhere
