• haui@lemmygrad.ml
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    20 days ago

    I think this has been known for a long time and is used by the west (i.e. the guardian) as a way to distance themselves from ukraine right before it goes down. That way they can claim moral victory.

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        Instead they will both-sides it and make Ukraine into a Finland-analog. It was the “bad leaders” that betrayed Ukraine and not the azov nazis. Some will even have a “realization” like they did with Iraq and Vietnam.

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      20 days ago

      Yup, and the fact the very fact that they’re all of a sudden remembering about corruption in Ukraine is an indication that things are going badly.

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        Its absurd though, isnt it? Like people will swallow this so willingly its unbelievable.

        How do we stop this?

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            It feels like that is mere weeks away. But doesnt it feel like that for years at this point?

            I dunno man. I feel like we need to step up our propaganda game. My wife keeps reading stalin to me and it makes me wonder if we need to come up with slogans as they did back then “cooperate with the workers and the poor peasants” and such.

            If we were one world ML party, we could direct such slogans. For ukraine it would be “stop sending arms to nazis, find common ground with russia”

            And that we would communicate to commi parties and put it on flags around the world.

            I think that would be a good idea.

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              It’s hard to say when the breaking point will come. I certainly expected it to happen sooner, and I’ve learned to tamper my expectations. I think ultimately what it’ll come down to is that Ukraine will run out of manpower and the AFU will lose fighting potential. That’s what happened to the Germans in WW2. There was basically a static front for years, but then once the collapse started it unfolded at lightning speed.

              I do think having an international movement would be valuable. There needs to be a lot more worker solidarity across nations which would in turn help combat jingoism that’s so prevalent nowadays.

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                They essentially have given up on Guljaipole (Makhno’s hometown), which gives russia a open hand until Dnipro and Zaporizhia and will essentially collapse the supply lines leading into the Donbass.

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                  I wouldn’t jump to conclusions yet about Gulyaipole. Let’s wait another week and see what happens. They can probably scrounge up some manpower from other fronts and throw it in that direction to delay the Russians for a bit.

                  Pokrovsk/Krasnoarmeysk is all but impossible to reverse now because the Russians are entrenched but on the Zaporozhye front the Ukrainians had very little fortifications which also means that the Russians won’t have as much to take over and entrench themselves in. It’s all a question of how much Kiev wants to hollow out the other fronts in order to deny Russia the PR win of fast advances on this front.

                  And if there is one thing that you can consistently rely on Kiev to do is sacrifice men and materiel for PR points. Russia understands this and creates situations that force Kiev to increase the burn rate of their resources to prevent bad PR.